[Out-of-Date]Using Infantry Units

[PuNk! ™]

Using Infantry Units

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As you may’ve already noticed, some additional units have been added to the shop area. This may also be updated over a period of time with more units, but for now, the following will remain;

• Single Soldier
  - This Single Soldier Unit is one soldier equipped with the standard rifle of your division. (UK/US: Lee Enfield Mark 4 /// AXIS: Mauser Karbine 98k).They will remain with these standard weapons always, so you may not equip them with anything new, the only people you may equip new weapons with, is fellow MEMBERS beneath your division.
  
  
• Squad of Soldiers (6)
  - The Squad of Soldiers are several comprised units who’ve trained together beneath your command, so may you name them, talk to them, use them as you will due in your Rps
  (Again, these units have the standard issued rifles ONLY).
  

--- Leave any comments/questions below ---
Thanks,
~Danny

[wozah]

w00t! First blood!

Anyways...

American soldiers were armed with standard M1 Garands Rifles. Only the British and the Commonwealth allies used the Lee Mark 4 Rifles.

Also what about NCO's who are npcs like Sergeants or Corporals? I think they should be at least armed with SMGs. Thompsons for the Americans, Stens for the Brits and Commonwealth, and the MP40's for the Axis.

And what about having specialized squads, meaning having a machine gun squad, anti-tank weapons squad, mortar squad or whatever? (When I say machinegun squad, just one machine gun but two members assigned to using the machine gun be it an MG42 or .50 caliber, with rifles and four other members to support. Anti-tank, same thing but mortar, from what I've read, have 2 motars each for 3 men who will operate it in the 6 man squad)

[∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram]

Yeah, but Punk has done it so each NPC is equal. If you had American NPCs with M1 Garands (better weapons) and British NPCs with bolt action rifles, same with German NPCs, that's highly unfair in my verdict.

I like the idea of the NCO ranks getting SMGs. Not bad at all and the idea of special units with special weapons, well, I think personally that takes the edge of members doing this themselves. What would be the point of purchasing a MG or AT weapon if we can spend some money on a few units to do it for us... Plus, what about ENLISTED ranked members? They have to have a role to play on this website. It's not all about CO ranked people commanding units as they wished.

I think I read somewhere, Punk mentioned he would mod-mark a NCO ranked person's actions during battle more accurately, than a CO ranked person, due to the battle experience and we already have a Mortar with crew idea. You can purchase the mortar and crew to man it.
- Raf

[wozah]

Hmm... well I guess it sounds fair though I honestly don't consider the M1 to be that great of a weapon.

Since it was self-loading rifle, it was often prone to jamming... You couldn't reload it in the middle of a battle and although it was a sturdy rifle it had one weakness when it came to temperatures.

(In cold temperatures if a soldier is not careful, the mechanisms can freeze, so soldiers had to resort by baking it on nearby fires. As you know... fires can be spotted by the enemy a mile away.)

The M1's were good in a sense that American squads were able to pour on continous fire on the enemy but that doesn't make them invincible or give them an advantage to a certain point. They spend ammo more quickly than Axis soldiers, and if they're not careful, they can be inaccruate.

Plus I guess its realisitc when we encounter Americans on the battlefield. Lol, if its unfair for the Axis, then rightly so. This is war after all. The Americans poured a lot of tech into their infantry weapons, just as the Germans poured in a lot of tech into their tanks. It's just a POV I guess, but I consider it accruate that NPC's of American Units wield M1's.

As for the squad idea... well... I didn't say we should exclude the enlisted ranks.... just saying that sometimes... well lol... an enlisted man can only do so much... plus the fact that for the time being, there are only a few us in here to fill up the positions we need (Which will hopefully change soon).

Maybe the mortar squad we don't need since Mortars, you can buy your own crews (Lol sorry forgot about that one) but surely... don't we need some AT and Machine gun squads at least?

Maybe have enlisted ranks and NPC's mix with the squad so that its not purely NPC? I dunno. That's just my idea.

[Daniel Brennan]

We don't need Machine-gun squads at all. If you buy a machine-gun then you can't let your NPCs "own" it, but you can just say in a thread that your NPCs are using it instead of you.
As for NPCs using other weapons, I've always wanted some way for that to happen.

[Nathan Whyte]

So, if I was to buy a Bren, would I be able to say NPC X was wielding it as a SAW gunner?

[S.SGT David Bevan]

Not very important bur Raf. The Lee-Enfield was a far better rifle than the M1. The Lee-Enfield waas more accurate, longer ranged, lighter and had a bigger magazine. It is such a good weapon that it is still used by the Indian army today. As Horst said the M1 often jammed as the Lee-Enfield almost never jammed. All that the M1 had going for it was the fact that it's semi automatic. I had always wondered why in the shop the M1 was worth 8cp more!

[PuNk! ™]

Hey Guys,

Okay firstly, Raf was right about some of my predictions. I did indeed set both sides the use of "BOLT ACTION" rifles, not just because at the time I thought it would even the battle out in fairness, but how on earth would you record in battle - who has what!?

I mean, you want American NPC units, right? That use M1 Garands. Say you're a British Soldier, but in an American Division. You name all your soldiers British names and during battle, you use these soldiers... A Mod Marker immediately assumes these NPCs are British and marks them with Bolt Action rifles, rather than Semi's. Big mistake. Staff member gets told off and possibly would have to re-write the whole mod-mark, because a British member is actually in an American Division.

You guys don't understand how hard it is on us to mod-mark and REMEMBER things. This is purely the reason why I haven't allowed members to arm their units with weaponry, because how on Earth would be remember "Who has what" and where on Earth would this be recorded!? Say, Bob and John have been given Thompson SMGs by the member; You. The icons are removed from your mini profile each time and the only way we can record "Who has what" is by continously looking back on the "Division Roster" - where presumably, there should be a small bit of writing beside the name saying "Bob has a Thompson".

Now, you can see the big problem with this picture is.
Us staff would have to KEEP going back to the Division roster, to check what NPCs during the battle have what weapons. Not just that, but I've already put a lot of trust into people to be able to create and edit their own Division Threads. This isn't Staff monitored continously and it's down to the soul purpose of the commander to be trusted and fair; Of course, any cheating found would mean the ultimate closure of that Division.

So you guys have to understand.
As Mod Markers, as small as these things may seem, make our life hard when marking. I personally don't even RP anymore, because this board is so demanding and all I ever do is update or Mod-Mark. So yes, more staff will be recruited in due course to combat this.

Again, unless it's a "Default" thing, where all Privates get a certain weapon, all Corporals inherit a certain weapon, it slackens the confusion and makes staff member's lives so much easier. Whereas arming your units like mercenaries, randomly, makes it so much harder for us to remember and understand who has what equipment - meaning, we'll have a dozen browsers open to just keep checking.

I do actually like the idea of NCOs having SMGs though. Again, this would be a default thing and would apply to all NCO ranked NPCs. I'll see into adding this suggestion real soon.

As for special crews, such as Machine-Gunners and such - I have considered this already. Again, there's complications. Firstly, an MG in the shop costs 30 - 40CP, right? If an MG was made availble with a squad or men to use, how much do you expect it to cost?.....

So if the gunnery alone is a lot for a member, you would obviously want it to be cheaper for an NPC unit. Right? Which concludes; One pointless and less job for Enlisted ranked members, because you can purchase an MG and a whole bunch of NPCs to man it for a cheaper price.

Y'see, without considering member's strengths and what they can do, it's hard to implement things like this. Artillery and crews to man it are already updated - You really should look at the shop more. Lol, but yeah, great ideas, however, not as easy as you think to update and simply add.
~Danny

[∬: Erhard Strumfelder]

I would take an M1 over an Enfield every time. The more bullets you put in the air, the greater the chance you will kill your opponent. The muzzle volicity of the Enfield was considerably less, the barrel was only one inch longer, and it was bolt action. Yes it was slightly heavier, but the technology was fifty years out of date. And the cartriges are practically the same. Plus, because it is bolt action it needs to be far cleaner to function well, while the M1 doesn't need the same level of cleanliness.

And it is no longer used by the Indian Military. They use a modification of the FN FAL, and several differant types of Kalashnikov, as well as several German weapons. Small contingents of their reserve forces use it, but they are only deployed if a major war breaks out, and are not piticularly well trained.

[Daniel Brennan]

Well, I do think it would be a great idea for NCO NPCs to have different weapons. It will make threads with NCOs really fun to mod-mark. One problem I can think of would be that the price of NCOs would have to go up. If Sergeants used Thompsons* then I think their prices would have to go up to at least 18CP. I mean, Thompsons themselves are what, Twenty five? It would be mad if the you got a strong NPC and an SMG together for less then half the price of the weapon on it's own. I don't think Corporals should get Thompons, though. Maybe just leave them with the bolt action rifles?

MP40's for Axis?

[Edward"Butcher"McMillan]

AHA! A conversation I can throw my knowledge into (weapons) the Lee-Enfeild and the M1 had the same capacity when it came to ammo, Sturm was right about the clenliness but the main reason that the US even went to a semi auto rifle was mainly the fact that it reduced shooter error.

You see with a bolt action rifle the shooter must remove his point of view from the sights to reload for the next shot and then have to reaquire his sites on the target, which not only took longer, but without a good bit of triaining, average shooters would not have their own eyes looking down the exact same spot, therefore reducing accuracy. With a semi auto rifle, you keep you eyes in the same spot for all of your shots or until you reload, SO even if the Lee-Enfeild was a more accurate rifle, the M1 was easier to be more accurate with

-JT

[S.SGT David Bevan]

M1 had a 8round mag capacity Lee-Enfield had ten. What u said about the point of view is true but the Lee-Enfield was more accurate, fired for way further and was lighter. The M1 proved to be a disadvantage to the Americans beacuse it was semi automatic so the americans thought it was good for room clearing and suppresive fire and that caused them not to arm many soldiers with sub macjineguns and officers with carbines. as the british had more men with smgs and officers all had smgs and Webleys!!!

[PuNk! ™]

Okay I'm getting a little tired of this;
This thread is meant to be for people who want to know how to use INFANTRY units, can we please stop discussing M1 Garands and Lee Enfields? Please.

It's spamming up this HELP Thread, pointlessly.
~Danny

My bad. -JT

I think David would say the same here too.

[Nathan Whyte]

Oooh, Oooooh!

Question!

If NPC Sergeants get a SMG, do PC people get SMG's?

[S.SGT David Bevan]

no! I dont think they do otherwise I'd want my money back!!!!