Defectors?

[PuNk! ™]

Hey guys,

I got making a random picture of Liam Brentwood in Nazi clothing, just to see what he would possibly look like if he were to defect and thought I would share. I also got thinking, well, what would you guys think if your character/s defected to the opposite side of the war? What would they be like? Could they ever defect do you think?

For those new members who don't entirely know Liam, he is my main Allied character, whom is a British Captain of the 7th Armoured Division on the website and leader of the underground vigilante sub-division, The Jackals.

His also notoriously Anti-Nazi and Anti-French (long-story short, Dunkirk!) and over the years his developed into a very bitter and loose-cannon with his temper. To put it lightly, he's done quite a few unorthodox things, from bullying subordinates, wrecking funerals, attacking a fellow officer and various other random acts of violence. Neglecting the few known occasions his tied captured Nazis up within trees and slowly gutted their entrails...

On the whole, his a very unstable character and it's surprising he hasn't been locked up or found-out sooner. Still, I thought I would paint a picture of Liam in the Wolf's clothing (like the pun?) and this is what I came up with.

It's not the best picture I've been able to do, but crikey, it's not easy blending the two images together - the face and uniform. Still, it gives a good outline of what he would look like and well, can anyone else see Liam becoming a Nazi? ;D

More to the point, could you ever consider your own characters to defect? What do you think they would be like on the other side of the wire?

Just a random discussion topic.
~Danny

[Tristan Herman]

I dunno' if I could see it happening to Liam. I haven't read enough threads/participated in any battles with him to rightly know. From what I do know of him though, he would likely never do so, short of trying to get McMillan or something of that sort. And by "get", I mean "get even".


Since I haven't gotten a lot of time in with Zolnerowich yet, I'll post on Tristan.

There is a part of me that originally wanted Tristan to defect by mid-late war, but I have since pushed the thought aside. I felt that after JT did it with McMillan it would seem cliche or repetitive for anyone else to use the same plot device, so I since decided against such an action.

That being said, I would almost say Tristan is inadvertently designed to defect to the Allies. He's an intelligent kid from a Bavarian country-town of only a few hundred. His father hated and abused him; his mother was too much of a depressed wreck to care about him; his dreams were crushed early on in life; and he almost wholly disagrees with everything Nazism and Germany stand for, particularly the Schutzstaffel.

If he were to defect, I would think him to do it some time during the Warsaw Uprising, Operation Valkyrie, the Normandy landings, or when he is coming back from Italy in late 1943. From there he would meet with British forces, and dispense whatever information he could to them before either settling down and finally having a comfortable life, or being taken captive by the Americans, held in a PoW camp, and brutalized into a near suicidal depression until being released in Spring of '45.

If he were to fight alongside the Allies as a defector though, it would, all in all, change his outlook on life entirely I think. Abandoning his country would be a big step toward a new life he eventually wants to have where nobody is out to get him; a manner in which he has existed almost his whole life.

[Mac Bargett]

From what I read, I couldn't see Liam defecting either, maybe deserting with Ed and they form their own merc group, to run around killing and torturing anyone, for fun and profit.
That I could see.

For my characters, none of my Allied would ever defect, they have no reason to betray the Western Allies and side with the ones that had started all the fuss.

Gussy Gestapo and Freddy the Finn are different, Fred is loyal to Finland and will continue to fight against whoever dare think they can battle against and occupy sweet Suomi, while Gus is loyal to himself, and will follow whoever will give the most benefit to himself, but also not make Gus want to punch him in the throat.

So if their plots start going in that direction, they could very well defect.

[PuNk! ™]

Some interesting views I'm reading. I guess each individual character has his or her own points of view and opinions, obviously and I see above it's already been mentioned about whether your character/s would conform towards the end of the war if they were losing or not; what if they were losing the war? Would they flee? Conform? Surrender? Fight to the bitter death?

Personally, I think Liam would fight to the bitter death; his much like an anti-hero in my eyes, bit of a villain with his barbaric traits and the way he carries himself, his far from being a gentleman, so he would fight dirty, grab what he can get and do whatever it takes to counter-attack the imposing threat.

He wouldn't be one to conform or surrender, in my eyes.
~Danny

[☭ Joseph Petrov]

Nah, I doubt Liam would be one to defect. As for my main, Joseph, I've been thinking about some new twists which would make that highly unlikely.
Currently though, it would still be unlikely. Having joined because he basically had nothing better to do than defend the Motherland, joining with those Facist barbarians would be unlikely. My American characters, no way. Just not the type. Marek, my Pole, well, you can guess...

My Austrian, Albert, having been in the war since the beginning, is starting to get fed up with the Nazis, defecting would be a distinct possibility. My Italian is in a similar situation, he's no Facist, he fights for Italy. If Italy switched sides, so would he. I don't think I'm forgetting anyone else...