What if....?

[Rhys Bevan]

I was wondering the other day about what would have happened if the Germans had been unsuccesful in their invasion on Poland

What would have happened if America had remained completely neutral throughout the war?

What if Mussolini had allied with Churchill rather than Hitler?

What if Bernard Montgomery had died before he could mastermind D-Day?

What if the Germans had been succesful in the Battle of Britain?

What if the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour?

What if...what if....

Basically, this thread is to discuss what would have happened if certain aspects of history had never happened. For instance, if the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour, would the Americans had taken such an active stance in the war midway through or would they have waited another couple of years to fully initiate themselves in the process?

That kind of thing. Just ask questions and people will answer. Short and simple. A bit like Tom really.

[S.SGT David Bevan]

If America stayed Neutral throughout the war the Germans would probable murder Britain then would attack America who would not have the amazing people of britain (especially Wales) to save them!

[∬: Erik Schneider]

If those amazing people couldn't save themselves, why would they be able to save America.

These are some good what if questions though.

[robertgreen]

Which also means that we would all probably be speaking german at the moment. If the Japanese had not bombed Pearl Harbour then it is quite likely that the Americans wouldn't have joined the war thus resulting in the above things happening.

[Rhys Bevan]

The old UK vs USA thing again.

To be honest, I think both sides contributed hugely to the war and without either sides support, who knows what could have happened? Personally, however, I think the real nail in the coffin for Germany was Russia. If the Russians hadn't repelled the German invasion, I'm almost sure that Hitler would have won the war.

But...I think if the Americans hadn't joined the war, the Allies would still have been succesful, although the casualties would inevitably be heavier. It was pretty much 50-50 until the yanks turned up. They shifted it in the Allies' favour but they weren't neccessarily integral to the Allied victory.

[∬: Erik Schneider]

^ Agreed. But see the thing is, back in World War 2 there was a conflict all the way across the world. It really had nothing to do with us, but people needed help. We were still a relatively new nation and we were just like, nah sorry guys. But nowadays, because of that, we are always getting ourselves involved in smaller countries troubles and conflicts and what not and the rest of the world seems to hate us for it.

[PuNk! ™]

Aug 5, 2008 15:40:47 GMT ∬: Erik Schneider said:

^ Agreed. But see the thing is, back in World War 2 there was a conflict all the way across the world. It really had nothing to do with us, but people needed help. We were still a relatively new nation and we were just like, nah sorry guys. But nowadays, because of that, we are always getting ourselves involved in smaller countries troubles and conflicts and what not and the rest of the world seems to hate us for it.

Britain's been fighting wars since the Medieval ages.
Apart from the deep history, we also fought the First World War with France/Allied Nations against the German threat without America's help (as you said, it was still a young nation, but still!).

So when the Second World War arised, we possibly could've defeated Germany again, if it wasn't for the French messing everything up! Churchill sent over what was known as a expeditionary force; Meaning, a massive bunch of British soldiers to help the Frenchies fight the German Invasion.

However, these units were handed to the French to order/control. Rather than do it ourselves. They stuck us on the frontlines where they thought the Germans would attack and BAM, they done something known as the "matadors cloak", tricking the French/British forces that they would invade Belgium and then hit Franch via' there... But instead, they just hit France... Lmao!

And so DUNKIRK occured, where British troops had to run back to catch up with the Germans advancing the fontlines forwards. If it wasn't for mistakes such as this, prodominately due to the French messing it up (COUGHS), then we would've had a big fighting chance without American help. Anyhow, Churchill requested help from America continously and they refused, which I don't blame them for, but it took a massive American mistake to realise - Wait, maybe we should help. Hence, Pearl Harbour.

So hey, I can proudly say, the British and Allied forces [Europe] had been fighting well before any Atlantic help arrived and no offence to any Americans here, but as much as you deserve the glory for helping Britain defeat the opposing Nazi regime, I feel that personally, they soaked it up too much Just remember, America entered the war quite a few years too late.

~Danny

[Edward"Butcher"McMillan]

Personally, I'm no history buff mind you, not even in the slightest, but had the Japanese not bombed Pearl Harbor and America didn't enter, the out come would have been more catastrophic than I have characters to writh this post with.

As far as I know on the subject (which honestly isn't much) Germany did a pretty good job of holdiong their own against the Allies as a whole. Had America not entered, I think the Axis would have pulled it off and by the time the Americans got around to doing something about it, I believe it would have been too late. We wouldn't have had the production power in place to crap out a plethera of tanks and planes and weaponry to repel the invasion in time.

-JT

[PuNk! ™]

Aug 5, 2008 23:58:28 GMT Edward"Butcher"McMillan said:

Personally, I'm no history buff mind you, not even in the slightest, but had the Japanese not bombed Pearl Harbor and America didn't enter, the out come would have been more catastrophic than I have characters to writh this post with.

As far as I know on the subject (which honestly isn't much) Germany did a pretty good job of holdiong their own against the Allies as a whole. Had America not entered, I think the Axis would have pulled it off and by the time the Americans got around to doing something about it, I believe it would have been too late. We wouldn't have had the production power in place to crap out a plethera of tanks and planes and weaponry to repel the invasion in time.

-JT

I agree, if America hadn't have entered the war, things would've been devastating, prodominately due to the fact that the Nazis had dug in along the whole French beach-front (Omaha/Judo/Sword/Gold/Utah - D-Day Beaches). So they were a stone's throw away from Britain and with Dunkirk shattering British forces into pieces, we would've been a lamb to the slaughter.

Infact, I remember watching a documentary once about the Military/Intelligence setting up secret bunkers in numerous backyards to civilian buildings. Big enough to house a good fifty odd men. Supposedly, when the Germans rushed through, the British had the element of surprise to spring out from behind enemy lines and cause havock! So yes, it seemed as if Britain was getting ready for a full on invasion.

I couldn't agree more that America turned the war around. Just a shame that they didn't help from the beginning, I'm pretty sure they were more than capable. They were supplying us with munitions...
~Danny

[washi]

this is one me and my dad were talking about the berlin wall it is more of a question then a comment and I think it is a good one. What if the Americans took Berlin, Germany instead of the USSR and didnt go after Hitler. Would the Berlin Wall still have been made?

(I Know the fall of the Wall was an accomplishment of the end but also the start of a new beginning.)

[☤Theodorijk Wijzemens]

Someone mentioned we would be speaking German right now if the US hadn't joined the war. I disagree, we would probably be speaking Russian, or at least Europeans and Britons would. Even if the US hadn't won the war, the USSR would have made it their business to control Europe.
Sorry, I can't write too much right now. I'm very tired.

[∬: Erhard Strumfelder]

Aug 6, 2008 0:51:45 GMT @washi said:

this is one me and my dad were talking about the berlin wall it is more of a question then a comment and I think it is a good one. What if the Americans took Berlin, Germany instead of the USSR and didnt go after Hitler. Would the Berlin Wall still have been made?

(I Know the fall of the Wall was an accomplishment of the end but also the start of a new beginning.)

The reason why the wall was build was...
After WWII, Germany was split up between the French, Brits, Yanks and Commies, into four zones. erlin was given the same treatment. When the three western Allies began to sponsor a West Germany, the USSR sponsored a new East Germany, creaing anothe buffer state if NATO wanted to attack them.
People in eastern Germany could se what was happening, so tried to escape to the west. But people in the very east couldn't reach the East-West Border. They instead went to Berlin which was a lot closer, and which was a mini border. If you got into West Berlin, you were in East Germany. The problem became so bad with all the refugues, that a wall was constructed, and each new edition was hard and harder to cross.
It was far from just a wall. It had mines, barbed wire, armed guards, guard dogs, a small stretch of water, trip wires; it was a massive engineering feat.

The Berlin was actually less likey to be constructed with what realy happened than what you suggested. The USSR could have chosen to keep Berlin to themselves, and like the Doc says, seize the rest of Eroupe, which they could have done. As for Hitler, he probably would have still killed himself, or else he would have danced at the gallows.

[johnson]

Aug 5, 2008 15:34:33 GMT Rhys Bevan said:

The old UK vs USA thing again.

To be honest, I think both sides contributed hugely to the war and without either sides support, who knows what could have happened? Personally, however, I think the real nail in the coffin for Germany was Russia. If the Russians hadn't repelled the German invasion, I'm almost sure that Hitler would have won the war.

But...I think if the Americans hadn't joined the war, the Allies would still have been succesful, although the casualties would inevitably be heavier. It was pretty much 50-50 until the yanks turned up. They shifted it in the Allies' favour but they weren't neccessarily integral to the Allied victory.

It was because of the North African campaign that the Russian were able to defend Stalingrad, for more info read Partners in Command: Eisenhower and Marshall

[Wilhelm Schlegal]

Aug 5, 2008 9:23:44 GMT Rhys Bevan said:

I was wondering the other day about what would have happened if the Germans had been unsuccesful in their invasion on Poland

What would have happened if America had remained completely neutral throughout the war?

What if Mussolini had allied with Churchill rather than Hitler?

What if Bernard Montgomery had died before he could mastermind D-Day?

What if the Germans had been succesful in the Battle of Britain?

What if the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour?

What if...what if....

Basically, this thread is to discuss what would have happened if certain aspects of history had never happened. For instance, if the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbour, would the Americans had taken such an active stance in the war midway through or would they have waited another couple of years to fully initiate themselves in the process?

That kind of thing. Just ask questions and people will answer. Short and simple. A bit like Tom really.

1)Allies would of won but like it was said earlier, casualties would be heavier. Don't forget, America did supply the Allies when they were still neutral.

2)Wouldn't of made a difference.

3)I thought it was Eisenhower that masterminded D-Day, or both of them.

4)Then Britain would have been fucked. I doubt that the Germans would invade America. Even if they did, they would have to improve their Navy to the brim to match the American Navy.

5)If Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, America would somehow enter the war, probably Hitler doing something stupid to bring them into the war.



Yeah, this thread is old, but just wanted to express my opinions.

[Mac Bargett]

I read a book once on evidence why Germany was going to attack America anyway. It's late, and I read it awhile ago, but from what I remembered some of the points were;
-The Nazi economy was built for everlasting war
-They had plans to be a high attitude, long range bomber
-They wouldn't have had declared on America when Japan attacked otherwise.

I could find the book and look more up if anyone cared.