Panzer Regiment "Großdeutschland"

[Deleted]

Alrighty. I'm here to think openly about my plans for the future Panzerregiment "Großdeutschland".

I've dropped the actual size to 3 Companies, each representing one of the 3 Panzer Battalions in the Panzer Regiment. This is much more effecient and has the same effect. Two regular Panzerkompanies and a Schwere Panzerkompanie.

Before each Panzerkompanie is put out, I think it would be best to save for the core part of the Company.

1220CP
-------- 1. Panzerkompanie
---------- 1. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 3 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 1. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 2. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw V

1220CP
-------- 2. Panzerkompanie
---------- 2. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 3 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 1. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 2. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw V

1560CP
-------- 3. Panzerkompanie (Heavy)
---------- 3. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 3 x PzKpfw VI
------------ 1. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw VI
------------ 2. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw VI

Each company has a minimum size of the above. One HQ Tank platoon w/ three tanks, and two combat platoons with five. An additional Combat Platoon may be added later.

Now, I've worked up a possible system of support so that a Company wouldn't be without support. Two Weapons Platoons may be added later, one being a Panzer AA Platoon (4 x Wirbelwind) and a scout platoon. (4 x Lichter Panzerspähwagen)

In the Divisional support, a maximum of four infantry platoons, (mechanized or motorised,) three artillery/anti-tank/anti-aircraft platoons, and one Armoured platoon may be added. Now, this is just thinking ahead to the time when/if the Regiment actually gets going and CP is made.


In a few years time, I hope for it to look like this:

-------- 1. Panzerkompanie
---------- 1. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 3 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 1. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 2. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 3. Zug - 5 x PzKpfw V
---------- 1. Panzerkompanie Weapons Platoons
------------ 1. Zug - 4 x Wirbelwind
------------ 2. Zug - 4 x Lichter Panzerspähwagen
---------- 1. Panzerkompanie Support Platoons
------------ 1. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw III, 3 x Trucks, 42 x Infantry
------------ 2. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw III, 3 x Trucks, 42 x Infantry
------------ 3. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw III, 3 x Trucks, 42 x Infantry
------------ 4. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw III, 3 x Trucks, 42 x Infantry
------------ 5. Zug - 4 x 8.8cm FlaK guns, 4 x Trucks, 8 x Artillery Cadets
------------ 6. Zug - 4 x Artillery Pieces
------------ 7. Zug - 4 x Anti-Tank pieces (if they are added to the shop)
------------ 8. Zug - 4 x StuG III/Jagdpanzer IV/Jagdpanther

2. and 3. Company same as 1. Company Support-wise. 3. Company has 1 extra Combat Platoon, consisting of 5 x PzKpfw VII (Königstiger)




Soooooo.... one headache later... what do you think of mah marvelous idea?

[PuNk! ™]

Brilliant planning, realistic isn't the word, but production on IO is still within it's infancy so the number of tanks, trucks and manpower could potentially take a lot of time to fulfill when it comes to numbering your ranks.

Again, great planning. I don't see an issue with what you're proposing, but you must have at least 50CP to fuel inject a new division and with your structure planning, I don't see any real problems, other than the fact that it will take a considerable amount of time to reach maximum numbers. There are however certifications on offer to help with the number boosting of NPCs and/or Vehicles (primarily Colonel ranked).

Again, another aspect you could take into consideration is the option of going into a partnership with other members who have the substantial amount of CP to help develop and build the division. Over time it will either grow or deminish when account loss numbers from battles. It's all very statistical and political in regards to wins, loses and staying afloat.

Overall, your plans seem great and whether you're looking to go into a partnership with any freelance members or propose a negotiation with a fellow division (there have been talks of divisions folding into one another in the past). It all contributes to making a healthy division and it's never something you can just sprout from the Earth immediately; some of the well established divisions here have taken time to grow and help from potential members or partnerships.

Just be advised to take those areas into consideration when creating your new division.
~Danny

[Matthaeus Hinrichs]

Great idea here Hautt. If you dont mind i could take an XO spot and help you start this up. Up to you. I would join it

~Adam

[Deleted]

Well, seeing as this is going to be a mainly tank-oriented unit, and tanks are... erm... rather expensive, the time it would take to build a sufficient unit to be an XO of could be extensive.

I also planned out the Infantry platoons.

------------ Infantry Platoon
-------------- 1. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 6 Infantrymen, 1 MG, Platoon Leader
-------------- 2. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 6 Infantrymen, 1 MG
-------------- 3. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 6 Infantrymen, 1 MG
-------------- 4. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 6 Infantrymen, 1 MG
-------------- 5. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 6 Infantrymen, 1 MG

But yeah, everything you say is spot-on, PuNk!

Donations would be welcome, but I never really planned on them. I was planning on using my Hautt acc. as my main fundraiser.

Here's the historical composition of the Panzer Regiment GD:

I. Battalion

* Battalion Headquarters Company - 17 x PzKpfw IV
* 1. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw V (Panther)
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
* 2. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
* 3. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
* 4. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV

II. Battalion (raised February 1943) as per I. Battalion
* Battalion Headquarters Company - 17 x PzKpfw IV
* 5. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw V (Panther)
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw V
* 6. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
* 7. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
* 8. Company
o HQ Platoon - 3 x PzKpfw IV
o 1. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 2. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV
o 3. Platoon - 5 x PzKpfw IV

III. Battalion (joined Division August 1943)

* Battalion Headquarters
* Headquarters Company - signals platoon, scout platoon (motorcycles), pioneer platoon (2 x SPW, 4 trucks), flak platoon with 4 x quadruple guns, reconnaissance platoon with 7 x SPW
o 9. Company - 14 Tigers
o 10. Company -14 Tigers
o 11. Company - 14 Tigers


The Company numbers are pretty spot on, while using elements from the entire Division as support, as was done in real life.

Oh, and I meant for the 3. Company to be as such:
-------- 3. Panzerkompanie (Heavy)
---------- 3. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 2 x PzKpfw VI
------------ 1. Zug - 4 x PzKpfw VI
------------ 2. Zug - 4 x PzKpfw VI
------------ 3. Zug - 4 x PzKpfw VI


Anyways... yuppers. I've spent plenty of time planning this and working on what is historical, and what is practical. It would be pretty impractical to replicate the entire Regiment.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fdeutschland_Division

I just figured it was time for someone to step up and put a lot of effort into a unit. I'm hardly ever doing anything IRL, so I have plenty of time to check in here at IO. I'd like to hear some more opinions about this. It'd be great to know if someone besides Adam and myself would like to make this happen.

~Jan/Hautt

You rock, IO! <3



Edit: Had an idea. What if there were two (maybe even more) Regiments? A Panzer Regiment under command of Nordmann, and a Panzergrenadier Regiment under the command of someone else (qualified of course)...?

[PuNk! ™]

Edit: Had an idea. What if there were two (maybe even more) Regiments? A Panzer Regiment under command of Nordmann, and a Panzergrenadier Regiment under the command of someone else (qualified of course)...?

Entirely possible. Depends if you're talking about two seperate divisions or one division split into two categories? Either way, it's certainly a possibility and if you take some of the current divisions at hand right now, particularly armoured units, they've split their divisions into manpower and "TANK-POWER!".

However, I'm sure it would work entirely fine if you split your division into two seperate categories maybe? A panzergrenadier half of the division and obviously your armoured counter-part.

Entirely depends, as I've said. At the end of the day, you have a good draft, realism is always perfect, but perfecting the realism is another art to learn. As I've said, the site is still very much in an infancy stage of the number marketl; currency. How can I explain it? Buying a tank makes you powerful enough, but prices won't start dropping until there's enough divisions up and running, besides, enough officers to weigh the decisions and NCOs to fill the ranks.

Otherwise, if tanks were made widely cheap in a price drop, the average soldier could get one! Like I said, infancy stage of CP prices, but in time to come, things may mellow and larger tank battles may take place because of the higher demand for armour and people to command them. I run a complicated business in my head.

Nevertheless, great ideas and draft up for the division.
Sponsors/donations and partnerships will always get a cracking idea off the ground.
~Danny

[☭ Joseph Petrov]

Wow, nice idea! Once my german character is completed he'll definatly be joining this unit.

[∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram]

Hmmm... Great plan, but a lot of work with the numbers you're flaunting. Would certainly take a decade to reach the potential you're hitting for and that's even with all the support you could get.

I would lower your standard by half for now though and turn your divisional plan into a nursery. I'm not being offensive, but having a dozen or more empty companies and platoons will look horrendous for your roster and you need to start somewhere, before you can boast your maximum power.

The Waffen-SS roster isn't fantastic, but each company and platoon has manpower. That's all that matters, so maybe lower your standards and then think the big picture. Nothing worse than an empty page.
- Raf

[Deleted]

Alright, modifications. Dropped the starting number of tanks per company to a max of 5 for the start up, and replaced the Panther Tanks with Pz IVs. I'm thinking to start with the 1. Company (undersized), adding the 3. Company (undersized), and then the 2. Company, once the other two are built up in strength. Maybe not even making the 2. Company, unless it is necessary. So... the starting point... is here:

450CP
-------- 1. Panzerkompanie
---------- 1. Panzerkompanie Combat Platoons
------------ HQ Zug - 1 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 1. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw IV
------------ 2. Zug - 2 x PzKpfw IV

I've also done a starting roster for the Panzergrenadier Regiment, in case anyone would be interested in pairing up. I thought it would be cool to have two separate branches co-ordinating their battles together.

Here's a starting roster:

-------- 1. Kompanie - 237CP
---------- 1. Zug (Rifle Platoon) - 3 x Trucks/SPW-(Sd.Kfz.251/Halftrack)
------------ 1. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 5 Infantrymen, 2 MG42, Platoon Leader
------------ 2. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 5 Infantrymen, 2 MG42
------------ 3. Gruppe - Squad Leader, 5 Infantrymen, 2 MG42

That's a full-strength Company. Now, if you wanted to simplify it, you could drop it to 6 Infantrymen Per Squad, and 1 MG. It shouldn't be too hard to find Members here to take position as squad leader, either, so for that it would be about 144CP per Company, with the trucks, MG's, and 3 squads of Infantry.

:3

[Erdmann Hoesslein]

It looks great and all, but there isn't alot of active members as it is.

So just splitting the player-base with another division is in my opinion, not a good idea

[∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram]

I agree, I don't think two divisions paired as one would work effectively. It's do-able, but realistically, it won't work. You're just better off making an armoured division and having panzergrenadiers sewed into your armoured division, a bit like all the other armoured divisions here, they all have infantry regardless to them being "armoured" brigades.

So unless you want to be strictly accurate to the line, then you could effectively be making a big mess up. What's wrong with just making your armoured unit and scattering infantryman into your division? Every division does it and I think every division here is an armoured orientated division. So you're not breaking the rules by doing that and besides, it would take two lots of 50CP and two COs to make two divisions for one effort. Seems rather shabby when you could just tie all that into one division, one lot of start up CP required AND work together more effectively. Makes sense, no?
- Raf

[Matthaeus Hinrichs]

Raf, Your so smart. But i agree. Im here and tryign to help along with thinking of ways to contribute to this division. Hautt, if you need anything hit me with a pm. I try to check the site every night so i can most certainly see a pm.

[☭ Joseph Petrov]

I'll try and help where I can with my German character. So same as Adam.

[Deleted]

I think I'll take your advice into the planning, Raf. German Armor. Infantry sewn in. Kind of like having Permanent Divisional support. So, the Panzer Regiment (Upper left) with elements of the Schützen Brigade, and who knows... maybe later elements of the others as well.

So. On the to do list this week: Keep my eye on the ball.

[Matthaeus Hinrichs]

Hautt would you mind me possibly opening up a support company? I could pay for it myself.

~Adam

[Deleted]

Sure. What kind of support we talking about? Engineers, Artillery, MGs, Aircraft, Assault Guns...?