Secret Information Leak

[PuNk! ™]

Well, what do you guys make of this story? Clicky!
Looks like America isn't in the best place at the moment.
~Danny

[Heiko Alkema]

I've had a look through some of them myself and its interesting stuff though almost 99% of it is things we already knew. The only thing I that surprised me is the fact that so many leaders in the Middle East have been pleading the US for military action against Iran.

Otherwise its pretty much no-brainer shit.

[PuNk! ™]

Yeah I agree, most of it is a no-brainer with what's come out; particularly Prince Andrew and his racist antics or remarks. Still though, I think the whole Iran issue is rather interesting and could possibly kick-off if things ain't settled properly. I'm pretty sure the Middle East ain't too happy, because it would have certainly caused a dispute amongst themselves, guess this is just a "watch this space" moment.

~Danny

[Joshua Kennedy]

No big deal in my mind. After 9-11 happened the government was scared that something worse could be set in motion, and freaked out. The "colorful" language isn't bad either, everyone in their own way is, or has been, racist. This includes myself, making many improv-style jokes using other ethnicities as the punchline.

[Edward"Butcher"McMillan]

"Releasing documents of this kind place at risk the lives of innocent individuals – from journalists to human rights activists and bloggers to soldiers and diplomats."

The fact that "bloggers" is used in the above sentence was surprising to me.

-JT

[Deleted]

Never mind the actual effect of the leak, why would someone leak it anyways, knowing full well the damage it could cause? People these days have no morals, no code of honor or respect for anything. Back in the old days it would have been inconceivable for someone to do something like this on purpose.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the US Government doesn't even want us to win in the Middle East. My Uncle Pat at one point was no more than 20-30 miles from some high value targets in Afghanistan, including a possible location of Osama bin Laden. It has become an extremely politics-driven war. If it were more military-oriented, such as completely eradicating the Taliban, it could be accomplished in a matter of months. We have the manpower, and the technology.

[∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram]

such as completely eradicating the Taliban, it could be accomplished in a matter of months. We have the manpower, and the technology.

Unless it's a nuke, I don't think it's possible to totally eradicate the Taliban at all, so I don't know where you got this idea that it could be accomplished in months? Let me rephrase why it couldn't be completed in months by two simple options.

1. Guerilla warfare. Have you ever known a region where guerilla warfare has been completely stopped in any major conflict? Did the Germans successfully eradicate the French resistance? Partisan groups? All the major underground networks conspiring against them? Imagine that, but on a broad scale in the middle east and the fact that half of the middle east is rather unhabitable due to the climate/desert conditions.

Take a page out of Vietnam, the Russian's couldn't do it. Afganistan, the Russian's couldn't do it. Why continue to repeat history? Guerilla warfare is the strongest type of manpower warfare. You strike, you disappear. The underground networks. The black-market alliances with numerous nationalities funding your cause secretly. C'mon, how can you eradicate that in months? Let alone a lifetime.

2. You're fighting a faith, a religion. Since when has any religious fuelled conflicts ever been successful? It's been happening since the Crusades. Christianity and Muslims in particular. One faith hits hard, the damaged faith grows ten times stronger in numbers, vice versa, vice versa, vice versa...

So you can't destroy a religion, you can't eradicate guerillas, as long as they co-exist, you have one bad cocktail that you could never get rid off. Ask London to eradicate all of it's rats or pigeons, it's impossible, for as long as those rats or pigeons feed on the trash given to them and harbour anywhere and everywhere right under our noses, you could never get rid of them. It's the same with the guerillas in Afganistan, for as long "whomever" is supporting them, they harbour anywhere and everywhere in Afganistan, Iraq, Pakistan and believe their cause is just, they will continue to grow and shall remain.

So how you can explain to me that it could so easily be over in months is beyond me. Even the Americans learned this lesson a long time ago in 1945/1946 in the Pacific against the Japanese; again, guerilla warfare in territory that was theirs, only way to eradicate the problem, drop a nuke and threaten to drop more.

Difference being, they wasn't fighting for religion. So you drop a nuke on a religious fuelled conflict and you watch the enemy spirial into some crazy-ass-triple-doople-hoople ten times bigger number of problems you could ever imagine. Globally. This war will never end, fact.
- Raf

[Joshua Kennedy]

Dec 24, 2010 3:02:12 GMT ∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram said:

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This war will never end, fact.
- Raf

Yes it will. However it will return with a new name, and the cycle will continue.

[Edward"Butcher"McMillan]

Dec 24, 2010 3:02:12 GMT ∬: Rafael Z. Wolfram said:

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- Raf

Think I'm crazy all you want, but I hope it doesn't.

-JT