How the Germans could have prolonged the war

[lisawieserman1941]

Damn..I am only 50 miles from ground zero. +_+

[∬: Attila Anday]

Nov 20, 2009 3:24:53 GMT ∬: Erik Schneider said:

After Britain and the rest of Western Europe was secured, you would be free to focus on the East. So, that's just me, but I think Operation Barbarossa was declared prematurely (and if not, just poorly executed) and the main focus should have been on Britain.

Actually historians are even today discussing that subject a lot.

And as I did already state above, in my opinion the war in the east was inevitable. The ideologies of Communism and National- Socialism are just like complete counterparts to each other, so a conflict was only a matter of time anyway. Hitler only threw the first stone and started his attack in the summer '41.

Hitlers focus never really lay on Britain, as he followed completely different goals. The war against Russia was his vision, he even stated so in his book "Mein Kampf" that he wrote back in 1924. The war in the west never was his interest and actually even distracted him from his real plans. I remember to have read once, how shocked Hitler was after he got informed about the declaration of war coming from France and Britain. He had been assured of the Western Allies to NOT take that last exit just because of Poland.

If you do consider Hitler's real goals of war now, the summer of 1941 was maybe the best moment to start an attack on Soviet- Russia. The Russian army was still weakened from the big "political cleanings" in the 1930s. And the technical level of the Soviet forces in 1941 also was way inferior to the German ones. The "Winter war" against Finland had obviously shown these weak spots to the world. Now imagine the Red Army of the year 1944, Blitz- victories like Kiev or Wjasma/ Brjansk wouldn't be possible at all.

So, in my opinion it's less the start of the attack that's a mistake but more the decisions that got made during that campaign.

[∬: Erik Schneider]

Nov 26, 2009 15:55:07 GMT ∬: Attila Anday said:

Nov 20, 2009 3:24:53 GMT ∬: Erik Schneider said:

After Britain and the rest of Western Europe was secured, you would be free to focus on the East. So, that's just me, but I think Operation Barbarossa was declared prematurely (and if not, just poorly executed) and the main focus should have been on Britain.

Actually historians are even today discussing that subject a lot.

And as I did already state above, in my opinion the war in the east was inevitable. The ideologies of Communism and National- Socialism are just like complete counterparts to each other, so a conflict was only a matter of time anyway. Hitler only threw the first stone and started his attack in the summer '41.

Hitlers focus never really lay on Britain, as he followed completely different goals. The war against Russia was his vision, he even stated so in his book "Mein Kampf" that he wrote back in 1924. The war in the west never was his interest and actually even distracted him from his real plans. I remember to have read once, how shocked Hitler was after he got informed about the declaration of war coming from France and Britain. He had been assured of the Western Allies to NOT take that last exit just because of Poland.

If you do consider Hitler's real goals of war now, the summer of 1941 was maybe the best moment to start an attack on Soviet- Russia. The Russian army was still weakened from the big "political cleanings" in the 1930s. And the technical level of the Soviet forces in 1941 also was way inferior to the German ones. The "Winter war" against Finland had obviously shown these weak spots to the world. Now imagine the Red Army of the year 1944, Blitz- victories like Kiev or Wjasma/ Brjansk wouldn't be possible at all.

So, in my opinion it's less the start of the attack that's a mistake but more the decisions that got made during that campaign.

Ah, but was he not at war with the West in 1941? There was still fighting in North Africa and Britain was still at war with Germany. France hadn't even been occupied to the fullest. I still think it would be best to focus on something you are at war with, before going to war with someone else. Take into account the fact that the US would be involved in the war by early 1942, wouldn't it be best to take out Britain beforehand?

If that focus on the Eastern front had been sent in an invasion of Britain and taken it by the beginning of '42, then I think it would be an ideal opportunity to strike the USSR.

[SGT. Brian Baker]

Got a 103 on my paper! A+!!!!!!

[Daniel Brennan]

Huh? Like, 103%?

[Ben Shirley]

Probably the amount of points that the paper was worth.

[Moritz Erichsen]

Nah, he was just so good, la professore decided to break the normal grading system for him.

[SGT. Brian Baker]

Nah, it would have been a 93, but he gave us 3 days to meet him. If you met him Monday to show him your rough draft and sources, you would get 10 points added to the paper. I was going to go on Wednesday to get 5 points, but someone asked me to switch them for me to go Monday.

[Deleted]

That's still cool, though.

I'd probably just mess it up somehow.

"They could have... erm... handed.. out... sno-cones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTWYYYYYEAAAAHHH! Then... then there never would have been a war! 'Cause, like, everyone would be like 'Dude, these Nazis rocks! Check out these sno-cones! And the Russians would've been like 'Your sno-cones stink, socialist pigs! And them Nazis would've taken it all in stride, and declared an eating contest, with Stalin vs Goering, and like, we all know who would've won, 'cause like... Goering was fat and stuff. And then the Russians would have attacked them Nazis, and everyone would hate the Russians 'cause they're sore losers, and becuase they're like... communists and stuff. And then there would be another contest, and it would've been awesome. Hitler vs Krushchev, dancing and sing 'I'm too sexy for mah shirt' and Hitler would have won, just because that foo' can dance, and because the Russians can only fold their arms and like, kick their legs real low and stuff, but the nazis can kick their legs high, like showgirls or something, and everyone would love the nazis. Oh, but then the nazis would've screwed it up by burning the jews and stuff. By then it's like 1969, and the Nazis all kill themselves in shame and in memory of the jews, 'cause it's like, the summer of love. And that's how they could have prolonged the war. And they lived happily ever after."

Yes.

[SGT. Brian Baker]

lol Hautt in the house!!!

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*bows*

Thank you, thank you, my children!